He is?

[rannoush]

Are you a person who believes in God? Or are you a disbelieving athiest?

Seriously, what really solidifies your faith and assures you that God exists, or what makes you absolutely convinced that we only are lonesome people in this world and he does not necessarily exist?

I am a strong believer. I would like people who believe that God exists to bring in their best logical philosophical arguments. I will try to refute them in any way possible, just to see how strong our beliefs really are and how far we can let our minds speculate. I am interested in the way of thinking of each member on this forum.


P.S: Please, Replies to this thread must be relevant and adequate. Don't turn this into a stupid chatting window with posts that have 2 or 3 words. I will ask moderators to delete those posts. Thanx

[Thugilex]

God is a comedian playing to an audience so afraid to laugh !

[rannoush]

Thugilex you I don't think your reply is relevant. You a believer or an athiest? and why?

[Thugilex]

what i was tryn to say that ppl are afraid to talk about that when it comes to real ... thats why i said they r afraid to laugh ... anyway sure i believe in God .. and thats why i follow my religion .. maybe am not 100 % on track but God is found and no one say no .. maybe each has his own point of view of God .. some believe in sheep some in rocks .. does that mean they dont believe ?

[rannoush]

Thugilex there are people who believe that God doesn't exist. They believe in nothing but the logic of their minds. Those are usually the scientific evidence based people who only rely on sciences and proofs and refuse to take the leap of faith. Some people think that there is no God. There's just us. How we got here is a pure scientific thing and there's actually nothing that happens after death. Now can u tell me why do u believe God exists?

[Khawtaaa]

i believe that a greater force must have created us for we were not born out of random..even in the worst of choas we find organization; in the darkest of our complexities we find reason, we are created by an ingenuis force that knows us more than we know ourselves yet gives us the choice to act upon life according to our circumstances..yes am a believer for the irony of death is far too obvious to be denied..

[NiShLeR]

Only within the unachievable presence of perfection can one touch the absolute, for through that presence, which one can explain due to an innate acceptance of
one's imperfection, can the "truth" be actually perceived.

[Khawtaaa]

lol right! *coughs* hehe

[rannoush]

What if our imperfection is just a concept, and we are actually perfect? What if what we view as perfection is not really it. We set the standards for perfection, we can set them again.

[NiShLeR]

how can u be perfect and constantly improve?
how can the concept exist if one cannot reach it?
in my opinion we did not set the standards... we merely perceived them out of what we have come to see as the basic constant of everything that exists
that basic constant is the absolute...
we are not constant and we most certainly are not absolute... change is not constant... as we can never not change... from our very start (biologically speaking) to our death...

[Khawtaaa]

but humans in nature were not supposed to be perfect..no matter how much we try perfection as a concept - either based on our own standards or on the standards set by the ppl around us - will never be achieved by us..Najib so what you're saying is that when we accept the fact that we're imperfect do we get to know the truth of God's existance?

[rannoush]

Says who we are constantly improving? You say it's improvement, others say it's deterioration... We are not constant, i agree, but our change is constant. Change always exists. We are not absolute, i agree again, but why should there exist an absolute at all?

[Khawtaaa]

deterioration according to who's standards? again we talk about change (whether from "good" to "better" or from "bad" to "worse") true that we are not absolute but then again the only absolution is God and everything (living beings or plain rock) changes with time..and that brings us back to our issue, "God and His existence" ..rannoush the "why should there exist an absolute" is the idea of this thread..we need something that does not change no matter how we may alter..and that is God, the only ultimate truth..

[rannoush]

So basically what you're saying Khawtaaaa is that we need that concept to exist. It's a need in us and it is perfectly seperated from whether he truly exists or not. I sure could need a 1000$ right now, but they don't exist in here

[Khawtaaa]

rannoush hehe but you study and work hard on the "belief" that someday you will land yourself a $1000 and we can't be a 100% sure that God exists, that's why it's called Faith

[GeE ArE]

well well.. nice topic indeed..

to discuss this and to test ur mind about beleiving in GOd or not.. u have to get outer this issue...

lets say that there is no GOD...

everything comes from a reason... and if we came from nothing, this is so wrong..

now we all do agree that there must something.. regardless of what is this thing...

lets say that someone created all this universer... this someone didnt came from nothing..so there must be someone there who created the first one...
if u keep tracking up... u will end with some power that created everything... this power is called GOD who created every single sand drop!

there is GOD now... how did he came?? we will never know... for our mind cand hadle this truth... we have just to live with it... there is a MIGHTY GOD who is there.. who created us.. why ? to see his power... to obey him.. and to pray for him in a "thank you" way for everything he gave to us...

some ideas are out of discuss for its not tur to discuss them coz they may lead to disbeleive...."2ayna?(where), kayfa?(how), mata?(when)" !!

i do beleive beleive in god...for beleiving gives me power!
no need to give a percentage for its worthless... u just either beleive or u dont... !!

[NiShLeR]

again, in my opinion, the existence of the absolute is there from the existence of imperfection, our own, thus our ongoing strive to reach perfection or the state where there can be no improvement...
improvement can go both ways if talking about morals.... let's say crime... the absolute crime is one that cannot be improved upon... it is constant and thus perfect... in this sense you or anyone else can feel yet not comprehend that a "perfect" image of anything worldly is there somewhere... and that image is God. i am of course speaking outside the boundaries or religion since crime by itself is considered "wrong"
the rest of our belief in God, as much as we try, cannot be totally made into logic... there will always be the opposing possibility of thought...

[BilKill]

ee ee god exists, bass sometimes byinsa amrna

[Nicole]

Faith means to believe and trust – more than just ideas. Cardinal Newman said ‘Faith is a principle of action’. What we believe determines how we try to live our lives. I believe of Allah azza wa jal.