"I think; therefore, i am."

[rannoush]

"I think; therefore, I am."

A very famous phrase said by the french philosopher Rene Descartes. I am sure many know it, but not so many know or understand what it really means. Anyone does know what the phrase means and why he said it? And why was it such a big deal that it gained such popularity?

Love to hear what you have to say.
I'll post the explanation later.

[Khawtaaa]

hmmm loved the idea of this section..Food is for the hungry stomaches, Philosophy is for the hungry souls..we've all heard of the arabic translation "ana ofakir ithan ana mawjoud" but not many dwelled on it, including yours trully i guess come to think of it now what that quote means is that as long as i got a working brain and coming up with better ways to live and prove that i am not just another number in this vast number of population, then i do exist on the path of life and not some anonymous identityless person..am i even close rannoush?

[Thugilex]

ever stopped to think and forgot how to start again ?

[BilKill]

Well, as you said rannoush, he is a philosopher, and a scientist, from my point of view, "i think, therefor i exist" means that since he is thinking, then he is usefull, he exists, but if was a guy that was stupid enough for not to think about anything, then how will his presence be any usefull ?

[rannoush]

You'll see later that it is much more than that..
Any other explanations?

[GeE ArE]

eih eih ana ana i wnat to give my explanation

well.. i think...i can do many things.. i measure what i can do and what i cant.. i give respect and show it to other.. i know how to talk and how to be usefull..

halla2 eza el zalami yalli 2ala la haidy el shaghle, kan 2asdo she teiny.. ma ba3ref!

[BilKill]

gee are , il zalame yalli 2ala yo3tabar the father of the modern sciences so akid ken azdo ger chi

[Marceal]

rannoush alla ma3a may mayassi i loved her... anyways as for ur question, Decarte believed that the perception of the self is the perception of the soul rather than the body, and what made this concept more logical and understandable is Abo El 3ala2 El Ma3are sho introduced the example of a new born man floating in the middle of the outer space, with his eyes covered, and all his body parts are kept away from each other, and he says, that this man, even though he cant see non of his body parts, nor can he feel them, he will still percieve himself. so I think therefore Iam. w Goo arab philoshopers ..

[rannoush]

Definitely impressed with all your answers. However, there's much more to this sentence. Now to be able to make you guys really understand the concept behind it, i would wanna take you through the same path in Descartes' analysis, step by step.

So.. Descartes, a scientist and a mathematician, wakes up one day and thinks to himself: " How the hell can i be sure of anything at all? I see a red book now. What makes me so sure the book is red? what if it was green but my eyes are seeing it wrong? I can question everything around me that way! Again, what makes me so sure of anything at all?"

So Descartes really wanted something solid to build all his theories on. Something that cannot be questioned in any way possible. How could he find such a thing?? He will start doubting everything around him. Totally everything will be denied of its truth, until he reaches something he really cannot question, and he will start the journey of truth finding from that base.

Now, my question to you guys is :Can you find a thing that cannot be questioned? That is 100% true at all times? Let me hear what you have to say... I will then show you how Descartes started proving that everything you can ever imagine can be wrong.

[BilKill]

i LOVE the 2 moderators of this section
yalla flame each others with informations

[BilKill]

well if we do not want to talk about the existance of god and go into religous issues, we are sure of nothing in this world, and there is nothing that we can proove 100 %, i mean let us take the atome for exemple, they always thinked that the heart of the atom was the smallest particule on earth, now they know that the neutrino is the smallest, and maybe later they will find somthing even smaller .... and so go on, and GOD said in the Qoran : w ma 2a3taynakom minal 3ilmi illa kalila

[rannoush]

As a matter of fact they did find smaller particles, called quarks have 1/2 charges and stuff like that.. But you started on a wrong basis in here Rohff. You cannot base your argument on something that is not solid.

Till now no one can prove nor deny the existence of God. It's a matter of faith. So your argument is not really that rigid Rohff.

I want something that can't be denied. I'll give you an example rohff. Let's say Logic. Can logic be denied? can 1+1=3 anyday?

I want you to find out anything that no one can ever doubt or deny. A solid fact. Go ahead..

[A]

Guys, ur topics badda jalseh !
too much to discuss , too many proven evidences are provided , i wish i have pretty much time in here now to spot out the real and the altimate truth .

[rannoush]

Eh w haide jalse!
Shoot.

[BilKill]

rannoush, 1+1 may equal 0 so also in math, 1+1 may not be equal to 2, so this is why i am saying that nothing is for sure

[rannoush]

How can 1+1 ever be equal to 0? Don't just say stuff guys. Philosophy is about logic, and not throwing any word that comes to your mind arbitrary. How can 1+1 equal 0 rohff ?

[Laeem]

Originally Posted by rannoush

How can 1+1 ever be equal to 0? Don't just say stuff guys. Philosophy is about logic, and not throwing any word that comes to your mind arbitrary. How can 1+1 equal 0 rohff ?

it is kind of math trick , it can be zero and can impossible " undefined " , this is something SQ dont know if u took it or not ! .. ill give u a hind , multiply both side by X . and ur gonna see what i mean .